1 | Ben
March 21, 2010 at 5:51 am

Hi Juanita,

I too have been suffering from lower GI problems, including IBD, and suspected H. Pylori / bacterial infection.

I am on the Apex protocol (the gastro-ulc and h-plr along with terazyme) and have noticed an acute increase in stool elimination / GI symptoms upon taking them. In fact, I had to cut the dosage to an incredibly low amount (1 dosage of 1 pill each, once a day), and still notice discomfort when taking them.

My question to you is, did you experience a worsening in symptoms at all when on this protocol? I was told I am likely experiencing a ‘die off’ period, where the bacteria / whatever else is exiting my system. I’m trying to decide if this is true, or if I am just very sensitive to the ingredients in these products.

citizen1ita
March 21, 2010 at 9:07 pm

Ben, I was on that same protocol. All I can say is I was very sick and so once I started on the supplements it’s hard to say whether they made me much worse or not because I was already bad. I think they may have caused some die-off reaction but I was taking a prescription anti-nausea (Promethazine) and slippery elm powder every day to help with that anyway. So whatever die-off symptoms I was having were somewhat relieved or masked by taking those things. I do remember having to go off the Terrainzyme at one point because it seemed like it bothered me soon after taking it, but then I was able to go back on it after a while and was better. The Terrainzyme was needed but I guess my stomach was too sensitive for it at first. My doctor muscle tested me for all of these supplements prior to taking them and found them to all be agreeable or what my body needed. Were you muscle tested? Of course it is possible you’re sensitive to something in the product but it seems like muscle testing would rule that out. I’m also curious to know if you’re on any kind of diet, such as an anti-candida diet? For me, this reduced symptoms greatly. Bacteria and yeast feed on sugar, so cutting that out as much as possible really helps. Natural supplements can cause die off but I’m sure it’s not as bad as the side effects from some of those prescription drugs for H.pylori, from the reviews I’ve read. Oh yeah, I should mention I also started taking colloidal silver (per the recommendation of another doctor who preferred collodial silver over the Apex protocol. Though I continued with the Apex because my main doctor prescribed it and I was already using it.) during that time so it’s possible that helped kill the H.pylori faster in conjunction with the Apex. Hope you get relief SOON.

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3 | 4-Colloidal-Silver
October 7, 2010 at 9:42 pm

The University of Nuevo Leon, in Mexico has reported and determined that Colloidal Silver Nano Particles do in fact kill HIV-1.

Conclusions From the Study:
“Finally, we propose that the antiviral activity of silver nanoparticles results from their inhibition of the interaction between gp120 and the target cell membrane receptors. According to our results, this mode of antiviral action allows silver nanoparticles to inhibit HIV-1 infection regardless of viral tropism or resistance profile, to bind to gp120 in a manner that prevents CD4-dependent virion binding, fusion, and infectivity, and to block HIV-1 cell-free and cell-associated infection, acting as a virucidal agent. In conclusion, silver nanoparticles are effective virucides as they inactivate HIV particles in a short period of time, exerting their activity at an early stage of viral replication (entry or fusion) and at post-entry stages. The data presented here contribute to a new and still largely unexplored area; the use of nanomaterials against specific targets of viral particles.”

http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/8/1/1

Now that we know that colloidal silver works, we have to determine which type of product will perform the best results with the least amount of chemicals:
1) Colloidal Silver Atoms
2) Colloidal Silver Nano Particles

The smaller the particles the more easily it can penetrate a virus and or bacteria.

Nano Particles are composed of 59 atoms, it is fair to concluded that a single silver atom will be far more effective than a large 29 atom sized particle.

The next thing to consider is which one is most ORGANIC. One is comprised of chemical compounds and substances the other has NO such elements.

PPM is the next factor that will influence a particles impact on the HIV virus, or any other virus for that matter. 3000 PPM vs 8-20 PPM, 3000 PPM will perform better because the 3000 PPM Colloidal Silver product will bombard the viruses and bacteria’s, like a machine gun, quick and efficient.

The three factors in choosing the best colloidal silver are:
1. Particle Size: Atoms Sized Particles are more efficient and deadly to viruses

2. Chemical Composition of the colloidal silver, if it has chemicals its bad for your body.

3. PPM Content: The More PPM the more effective. 3000 PPM are like a Machine Gun bullets being shot at a target, while, while a single nano particle would simply bounce off the target.

Colloidal silver rated at 3000 PPM will outperform any other nano particle products on the market. Anti Viral Anti Bacterial, Silver is known to kill viruses and deals with ring worm, and other diseases in humans as well as animals.

Colloidal Gold, helps with arthritis, memory, prostate cancer, cervical cancer, and nerve damage, it is a powerful antioxidant.
Colloidal Iridium Ruthenium: The product is called Reported to repair defective DNA, Anti aging, and the most concentrated antioxidants in the world. Reported to be effective in fighting cancer.
Colloidal Gold, Iridium, Rhodium and Ruthenium, a powerful blend of the worlds best antioxidants,

citizen1ita
October 8, 2010 at 12:42 pm

Thanks for the study form the Journal of Nanobiotechnology. As far as the recommendations on choosing which silver to buy, those recommendations DID NOT come from the Journal of Nanobiotechnology. I would like to see other websites or sources that say 3000ppm is the most effective and that prove or give evidence “that the higher the ppm the better”. It looks like you sell this 3000ppm silver? Do you have any scientific sources that prove this high amount is more effective and safe to take at that strength?

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4-Colloidal-Silver
October 9, 2010 at 7:02 pm

Dear citizen1ita, Colloidal silver atoms is a new product on the market, however the fact that colloidal silver has been used for approximately 100 years (documented), then there are those other couple of thousands years ago, when alchemist eradicated the bubonic plague with silver salts. Colloidal silver has a very convincing history.

We know that colloidal silver works, traditional colloidal silver does work, but it works very slow since the particles are approximately 59 atoms per particle.

It only fair to conclude that a colloidal silver atom will work more effectively than a nano particle.

Compare a nano particle to a basket ball hitting a person, then compare an atom as if were a BB pellet, the pellet would indeed penetrate the skin, the basket ball would bounce off.

5 | Sebastian
February 22, 2011 at 3:27 am

Hi Juanita

How are u? Im glad that I found your Website and that the Natural Antibiotics worked for u.

I was tested for H. Pylori Positive about 1 year ago. I never heard about it in my Life before.
I came from Germany to the USA and it seems my Body is not used to the Bacterias in the
Food here in the US.

How I got H. Pylori: I went to an mexican Bakery, ate a Tres Leches and after 30 Minutes
I had stomach pain and I felt like poisoned!
Next day the same, but on the third day it was gone (the Symptoms)!
On the 5th Day I got an Anxiety Attack that I couldn’t Breathe. On the Six Day to the Anxiety
Attack came also a heavy Stomach Pain after I ate food and Vomit Feelings (but I never vomit till today) .
It felt like Stones lying in my Stomach and I was very powerless and sleepy.

So I went to the Doc and the Blood Test said right away: H. PYLORI POSITIVE!

I got my first Triple Therapy for 28 days. I took it till the end.
I did not work.
After some weeks I took another Triple Therapy (different Antibiotics) for 14 days. It did not work.
And then after a month or so again: Triple Therapy (different Antibiotics) for 14 days. It did not work.
And then after 2 months again: Triple Therapy (different Antibiotics) for 14 days. It did not work.
And then after 4 months again: Triple Therapy (different Antibiotics) for 14 days (Today is the last day).
Seems like it did not work too, cuz I feel still the Symptoms.
While I was doing the Treatments I felt after the 3rd day very healthy and with so much power!
But on the 7th Day the Symptoms came back. This Case is applicable to every Antibiotic Cure that I took.
In the Antibiotic Breaks I tried Natural Stuff like Mastic Gum for 2 Months, Herbal Teas for 1 Months, Licorice,
Ginger Root Capsules, Olive Oil, Baking Powder, Apple Cider Vinegar, Milk Thistle Tablets, fresh Garlic,
Broccoli.

Maybe they worked a lil bit cuz:

I do not have the following Symptoms anymore, which I had in the beginning:
- No Stomach Pain at all and after Meals!

Instead I have these Symptoms now:
- feeling very tired after Meal
- my Eyes are burning often and then I get sleepy
- Throat Inflammation in the evenings
- my Stools are orange brown, loosely and I can see undigested food in it
- light headaches
- Moods swings (often I feel tetchy everyday)
- Body Weakness and a feeling like poisoned
- sometimes Depression (feeling emptiness)
- everyday my back feels like sometimes bugs crawl over it
- Hands and Face feels dry
- sometimes Brain Fog and an Unreal Feeling
- sometimes Anxiety Attacks cuz of Short Breathe
- mostly in the mornings I feel still tired even if I slept 10 hours
- and the worst is: That Im feeling like I have a Flu or a Cold and thats every night since 2 Months!

My Question is: Does some of the Symptoms above are related to Candida or is it just H. Pylori like my Doc said?
Hope u can help me in that Case.

I will try your CS Therapy for 14 days. I read in the Internet only good Stuff about it

Well, thank u very much for your time and I hope to hear from u soon Juanita!

Take care!

Sebastian

citizen1ita
February 22, 2011 at 12:13 pm

Sebastian,

With so many prescription antibiotic treatments I can only presume you have a candida infection. Did you ever take probiotics? The good healthy friendly bacteria? Those good bacteria are killed along with the bad bacteria when you take antibiotics (even natural ones though maybe less so than with prescriptions) and create an environment for candida to grow. A lot of your symptoms sound like candida, which I’ve had before and may have again. We always have candida, the problem is when it grows out of hand- usually due to stress, imbalance of good bacteria, antibiotic use, and overconsumption of sugars in the diet which feed candida. The best way to kill off candida is with an anti-candida diet- no sugar, no fruit, no dairy except butter, no grains (as best as you can, especially no gluten grains), high good protein and high good fat along with lots of veggies. You can also take natural supplements like oregano oil or the same supplements I took to kill off the h.pylori. And you must take good probiotics. Unfortunately, I’ve been having some of these symptoms lately myself (what I would call feelings of hypoglycemia even though my blood sugar tests normal- sudden feelings of being out of breath, weakness, feeling disoriented, disoriented speech, nausea, anxiety attacks that occur after just slight strenuous activity. Just shopping for an hour at a quick pace brought it on yesterday, and I can’t lift weights for more than 10 min without feeling sick) usually for me, eating protein and fat- such as an avacado helps these symptoms. One doctor believes I’m insulin resistant though I haven’t been able to have the test done to prove it. ) this all may be due to having some added life stresses in my life recently, but I’ve also not been very good at keeping my grains low and probably need to go back on a strict anti-candida diet again myself. Hmm, you may want to have a blood test for candida, a stool test, and maybe a test to check for insulin resistance or adrenal fatigue. These are all things I’m dealing with now. Having had h.pylori just makes your gut more susceptible to these problems because of the damage that has been done. And especially the lack of good bacteria. Sorry you have been suffering so long, I do hope you get some relief soon.

Juanita

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Sita
August 7, 2011 at 10:33 pm

The Apex brand you mentioned makes a product called G.I. Symmetry. It is a big jar full of individual packets. Each packet contains two capsules of three of their parasite formulas–one for yeast, one for bacteria and one for…actually I’m not sure what the third one is for. But in any case, if you have possibly Candida and H. Pylori, that could be a good way to go. I’ve been using their products for a few months to address parasites and autoimmunity issues and I’m feeling so much better! My thyroid regulation is much better and I am no longer chemically sensitive.

I have a six year old son who is battling many of these same issues you two discuss. We know he has celiac which has led to poor absorption which in turn has led to problems with heavy metal toxicity (poor absorption of nutrients leaves one without all the necessary ingredients needed to chelate). He seems to have Candida off and on (although we’ve never had a test confirm it). He has a very high H. Pylori count (using the dna culture test). He is mainly impacted in terms of behavior and mental health. Hair mineral analysis testing indicates problems with metabolism of sugars (oh yeah, and he can’t tolerate ANY sugars at all, not even a little bit of fruit) as well as exhausted adrenals.

citizen1ita
September 23, 2011 at 10:07 am

Sita,

I had not heard of the GI Symmetry. I’ll have to look at that. Is it safe for children? Can your son take it? I wonder if he could take colloidal silver? Colloidal silver was recommended to me by a few doctors I had seen, and one of them gives it to her children when they are sick. I would ask a doctor about the child dosage before trying. It was always one of the easiest things for me to take. Tastes like water and I never felt bad after taking it. The relationship between the gut issues and the adrenal fatigue is so true. It’s hard to know for sure which came first- the adrenal fatigue or the gut issues. I have read that adrenal fatigue can leave you more susceptible to allergies and infections. It makes sense. If your body can no longer balance out the stress, it weakens your ability to fight. I’m still struggling with the adrenal fatigue myself. Years of chronic illness and severe panic attacks may have stressed my adrenals out, just a bit But because of the adrenal fatigue, I have all of these other symptoms and still have to keep my gut in check and especially keep my sugar intake low or 0. Like your son, even an apple puts me out! I hope you guys are feeling better. I’m trying adrenal glandular supplements and adrenal herbals at the moment…

7 | Sebastian
September 23, 2011 at 1:15 pm

Yes, it worked Since my before last Post here I did not take any Medication and before the before last Post I took my last Triple Treatment (Antibiotics-It was my 6th or 7th Treatment). It seems like that last Treatment worked but the Blood Test 1 month after that Antibiotic Treatment showed a false Result (H. Pylori Positive) and Im happy that the Endoscopy is 100% accurate and showed H. Pylori is Negative
Thanx for the Tip regarding HCL. Im gonna try it But before that I try Slippery Elm and fresh Ginger. I heard very good things about them.